Breeding Unproven Dogs

[~Missy~]

I've always believed a dog should be proven worthy to breed. Whether it be through conformation, sports, working, etc.

I understand some people can look at pedigrees and pretty much determine what 2 dogs may produce. But in my research, and from what I've seen everyone say over my years on the dog boards, I thought if the dog itself hadn't proven it was worthy, then it shouldn't be bred.

This came about because someone bred his APBTs, who held no titles nor are working dogs, in hopes to produce WP and conformation champions. I was basically told I don't have enough knowledge about breeding because I felt the person shouldn't have bred his unproven dogs.

Thoughts? Does this only apply to APBT? Is it a double standard? Because I'm pretty sure the same people saying they would breed unproven APBTs would flip out if I said I was going to breed my unproven bully.

 

[CallSignOWL]

nah, Im with you. A dog may look good on paper, but until it proves it's got what it takes.... :nono:

 

[~Missy~]

What about breeding a cold dog?

 

[CallSignOWL]

What about breeding a cold dog?

put a sweater on him?

 

[~Missy~]

Lol

I mean a non-reactive dog.

 

[CallSignOWL]

Lol

I mean a non-reactive dog.

seeing as dog-fighting is illegal in all 50 states, why would one focus on dog-aggression?

 

[~Missy~]

seeing as dog-fighting is illegal in all 50 states, why would one focus on dog-aggression?

Well, if you're breeding true to the breed standard, wouldn't that include dog aggression?

I really don't have much of an opinion on cold/hot dogs. It was just brought up in the other discussion.

 

[catchrcall]

What about breeding a cold dog?

What about it? I haven't kept a catch dog yet that would start a dog fight, and they're pretty well proven or they wouldn't be here.

 

[~Missy~]

Like I said, I don't have much of an opinion on being hot/cold. Was curious what other people thought. I the conversation I referenced some shared your opinion and others felt cold dogs shouldn't be bred. Those may have been confusing cold with cur.

 

[catchrcall]

Maybe so. As far as I'm concerned it's heart that makes the bulldog, not wanting to dog fight. Granted, that's what their original purpose was, but lots of dogs will fight. That's not what makes a bulldog special. It's the heart that separates them from other breeds. At least in my opinion.

 

[~Missy~]

I completely agree.

 

[TannerG]

Maybe so. As far as I'm concerned it's heart that makes the bulldog, not wanting to dog fight. Granted, that's what their original purpose was, but lots of dogs will fight. That's not what makes a bulldog special. It's the heart that separates them from other breeds. At least in my opinion.

this x100

 

[CasperWorldPeace]

 

[Tiffseagles]

Just a thought. Conformation doesn't change because a dog steps into the show ring. Nor are titles a guarantee that the dog has good structure. What is way more important than any actual conformation title is the fact that a dog have good structure and that can be evaluated without the dog being "proven". Sometimes the best structured dog isn't necessarily the one you see at a show. But if you go that route, you really need to know what you are looking for/at.

 

[shotgun_wg]

I don't care the breed. A working dog that has not proven to work should not be bred. There are many aspects of work. Breeding paper only means u have paper. Breeding pretty gets pretty. Breeding work normally produces dogs that work. Is any one of my examples fool proof. No! But it is what got working dogs to the standard they were before paper became an issue.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

[shotgun_wg]

By the way love the quote of E. Tudor.


Shotgun
Arkansas

 

[~Missy~]

Thanks for the replies!

 

[~Missy~]

This is great, thank you for sharing!

Just a thought. Conformation doesn't change because a dog steps into the show ring. Nor are titles a guarantee that the dog has good structure. What is way more important than any actual conformation title is the fact that a dog have good structure and that can be evaluated without the dog being "proven". Sometimes the best structured dog isn't necessarily the one you see at a show. But if you go that route, you really need to know what you are looking for/at.

That makes a lot of sense. I've just always been told a dog should be proven before being bred so it's kind of become my mantra.

 

[~Missy~]

I don't care the breed. A working dog that has not proven to work should not be bred. There are many aspects of work. Breeding paper only means u have paper. Breeding pretty gets pretty. Breeding work normally produces dogs that work. Is any one of my examples fool proof. No! But it is what got working dogs to the standard they were before paper became an issue.


Shotgun
Arkansas

I agree with you, also. I don't believe in breeding just any dog and hoping to produce WP champs (which is the convo where this emerged....dude bred what he referred to as his pet in hopes to produce WP champs). Or as you said, any type of working dog.